Important resources for fight against feminism and Krishna West
Both Krishna West is philosophy based on mayavada as explained in this video.
Background - Krishna West is not new
Such deviations were already tried in the past, Srila Prabhupada already rejected them.
Summary of deviations by Mayesa dasa
The problems of Krsna West are the problems with its architect.
1) Hridayanada Maharaja ( who I shall refer to as HM ) has stated that sannyasi garb may be derived from Rama Krishna mission, a mayavadi school. Therefore HM thinks his guru AC Bhaktivedanta prescribed for his sannyasa disciples something which is not part of vaisnava tradition.
2) HM has declared the dress of grhasthas ( sari, dhoti, kurta ) as possibly of Muslim origin. AC Bhaktivedanta never said thus, but HM thinks he has understood this.
3) HM claims that all previous acharyas have erred in thinking that the incidence in Mahabharata of Duhsasana trying to disrobe Draupadi happened. He alone knows this.
4) HM claims that his guru ACBSP was great on sastra but on details not connected with sastra he was prone to mistakes. This is the most serious of HM’s ideas. It is one of the offences to the Holy Name to “consider the guru an ordinary man”.
5) HM feels we should embrace monogamous homosexuality as a valid lifestyle choice. But in his writing, correspondence, interviews and recordings AC Bhaktivedanta ( HM’s guru ) says exactly opposite.
6) HM has disciples who engage in ISKCON bashing. They feel they are heirs to the new enlightenment about clothes and have therefore entered into the superior position over the “stuck in the past ISKCON”. In this way HM’s disciples commit an offense to the Holy Name “vilifying devotees who have dedicated their lives to preaching the glories of the Holy Name”
7) HM claims that his “adaptations” are for preaching purpose and he has said “I am sure Srila Prabhupada would be pleased”
We have the contention from HM that he is adapting Krsna Consciousness dress ( “ as his guru would have desired,” he claims ) to western dress but simultaneously we have the claim by HM that that our devotee garb is compromised. Which is it?
We have the claim by HM that guru is not in error in matter of sastra but all previous acharyas were in error regarding Duhsasana disrobing of Draupadi. Which is it ?
We have ACBSP’s definitive statements regarding homosexuality being not a valid life style ( which never meant hating or harming homosexuals ) but we have HD claiming we should embrace is as a legitimate choice.
We see then that HM has created a new understanding of guru. For him guru is “relative” ( sometimes correct and sometimes incorrect ) as are necessarily his instructions. It takes a lifetime to surrender to guru ( as it does surrender to Krsna ) but HM has erred in his alteration of this process.
AC Bhaktivedanta has said “ You must know at least what your guru knows”
For HM there is not such an urgent nor absolute need to continue to try to reach the understanding that previous acharya has attained. This relative approach then is the culprit which has stolen HM’s intelligence.
I have no animus against His Grace Hrdayananda Maharaja. If he could now “adapt” himself to the bonafide appreciation of guru in disciplic succession all will be well.
Ping pong as recreation
Misusing Bhagavad gita
Ping pong acarya is using verse from Bhagavad-gita to justify his ping pong:
He who is regulated in his habits of eating, sleeping, recreation and work can mitigate all material pains by practicing the yoga system. (BG 6.17)
However, in that same verse, Srila Prabhupada says in the purport: ** Since there is no question of sense gratiﬁcation, there is no material leisure for a person in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.**
No idle sports
These are the practices for initiated devotees, what to speak of sannyasis.
My Dear Sacisuta,
Please accept my blessings. I am very glad to receive your letter dated May 26, 1968, along with beads, and I am so pleased that you are seeking for being initiated. So, after due chanting I am sending both your beads by separate first class post parcel. Receive it and chant without any offense. The 10 kinds of offenses are like this:
- Blaspheming the Lord’s devotee
- Considering the Lord and the demigods on the same level—or assuming there are many gods
- Neglecting the orders of the spiritual master
- Minimizing the authority of the Scriptures
- Interpreting the Holy Name of God
- Committing sin on the strength of chanting
- Instructing the glories of the Lord’s Name to the unfaithful
- Comparing the Holy Name with material piety
- Inattention while chanting the Holy Name
- Attachment to material things while engaged in the practice of chanting
So you follow those principles as well as the four restrictive rules, namely;
- No addiction to indulgence in any form of intoxication, including coffee, tea and cigarettes
- No illicit sexual relationships
- Must be strictly vegetarian
- No gambling
And the other standard practices for initiated devotees:
- Must attend evening and morning classes
- Should not extensively mix with non-devotees
- Should not eat food cooked by non-devotees
- Should not waste time in idle talks
- Should not become engaged in frivolous sports
- Should always chant and sing the Lord’s Holy Names
Chanting as enunciated by Lord Caitanya is the only means for spiritual realization in this age of dissension. So chant at least 16 rounds daily, and for other help you can ask assistance from your elderly God-brothers.
Hope you are well.
Your ever well wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami(Letter to: Sacisuta,Allston, Mass,30 May, 1968)
Dress and hair
Robes for dedicated
Notice the hair and “yellow robes” question at 1:25, Srila Prabhupada explains shaved head and “yellow robes”, says it’s DRESS FOR THOSE WHO ARE DEDICATED. Hridayananda das Goswami is as far as we know, dedicated follower of Srila Prabhupada, yet he refuses to wear sannyasi dress:
Prabhupada angry at Kirtananana when he stopped wearing sannyasi robes
My Dear Kirtanananda,
Please accept my blessings…
Since you have returned to N.Y. you have falsely dictated that I do not want the robes or flags. Why are you disturbing the whole situation in my absence. I never ordered you to speak like that. They must continue to have robes & tilak & flags & they must distinguish themselves from the hippies. I never objected to any of my students dressing like nice American gentleman, clean shaved; those who are my disciples must have flag, tilak & beads on neck without fail. Anyway I never advised you to dictate on behalf, please therefore do not misrepresent me. You have been given sannyasa to follow my principles & not to disturb me. If you do not agree with my philosophy you can work independent and not with-in the walls of ISKCON. You have not understood Krishna properly. The best thing will be to stop your talks my return & if you love me at all please do not talk in any meeting but chant in solitary place—anywhere you like. Hope you are well.
Your ever well-wisher, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
Let’s join Krishna’s society
In this quote, Srila Prabhupada is not agreeing “to dress change to support preaching”, rather his gives proper perspective
Rāmeśvara: Because we dress in the dhotīs, if they do not hear our philosophy, they think we are renouncing the world completely and have nothing positive to offer them. That is why we can introduce… If our writers for Back to Godhead become more expert, they can…
Prabhupāda: We are not renouncing. We are actually accepting. You are renouncing.
Devotee: We are accepting the real world.
Prabhupāda: No. We are accepting the Kṛṣṇa’s society, or Kṛṣṇa’s association. Kṛṣṇa has got His society in Vṛndāvana. We are going to become one of the members of that society. But you are avoiding it. So you are renouncing. Our mission is back to home, back to Godhead, to enter into the society of associates of God—but you are avoiding it. You do not want. You want this temporary so-called society, friendship and love, which will be finished within some years. That is your ignorance. This society will not stay. How long you shall remain American? You will not remain for many days. Then where is your position? You will be kicked out. However you may try to remain in this so-called society, friendship and love, you will not be allowed to stay. You will be forced to renounce. We are trying to enter into the society of Kṛṣṇa, where everything is eternal.
yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama (BG 15.6)
So which is better? Your so-called society cannot stay here, however nicely dressed with hats and coats and boots. You will be kicked out. Then where you will go? Ask this question to them. When they say something, you also say something. Why you are silent? Silent means accepting his proposal. Somebody… If I say something, if I say you are a thief but if you do not protest, if you remain silent, that means you are thief. This is the conclusion. If they say something, you say also. (Room Conversation – May 30, 1976, Honolulu)
I have never changed my dress
Everyone knows, I have never changed my dress. Rather, I have given the dress to the foreigners, and they have taken it. The Ramakrishna mission people came to request me that I dress myself in coat, pant, hat. Because they are doing. Their so-called swamis, they are dressed in coat, pant, hat.
So this is a culture. This culture is meant for the human society. Fortunately this culture developed on this land of Bharatavarsa. Unfortunately, people are so much bewildered that they are giving up this culture. That is the most regrettable portion of, of our movement. Anyway, my mission was that I shall go to America, and if some of the American boys and girls, younger section, would accept it, then I’ll bring them here to show these rascals that how great this culture is. (Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.9.48 – Mayapura, June 14, 1973)
It’s a question of knowledge, not dress
Professor: [speaks in Spanish]
Hrdayananda: [translating] He’s saying that he thinks the way we dress, our whole way of life, will make our movement only available to a few people, because it requires someone who is prepared to completely change his way of life.
Prabhupada: Well, when there is question of knowledge, only you will find a few people to get the knowledge. When you put this question, “Find out some learned scholar,” generally they will be very…, their number will be very little. But one thing is that if there is one man in real knowledge, he can give the…, distribute the knowledge to many. The example is just like ekas candras tamo hanti na ca tara sahasrasah: if you get one moon at night, that is sufficient to dissipate the darkness. And there are millions of stars – it is useless. So it is necessarily not required that everyone should be in perfect knowledge. But if one man is in perfect knowledge, hundreds and thousands can hear from him and they can perfect. So it does not depend on the quantity; it depends on the quality. (February 19, 1975, Caracas)
Yes, they must be strange
- Srila Prabhupada says here our dress is “our Preaching method”, not something we should reject.*
Reporter: Swamiji, your movement has received a great deal of attention for, at least one reason, because many of your followers dress in what for the West is an odd fashion and relate to the world in what for the West is an odd fashion. Can you respond to that? Why have you asked your followers to dress in this fashion and to play drums on the streets?
Prabhupāda: This is our preaching method, some way or other to draw their attention. (laughter)
Devotees: Jaya! Haribol!
Reporter: I’m sure that you’re aware that to many people in the West, in America, in New York City specifically, that your disciples seem strange because of the way they act on the streets. What about that?
Prabhupāda: Yes, they must be strange because they are spiritual. You are all material. (laughter) So, for the material persons, we are surely strange people. (interview MARCH 3,1975 NYC)
Giving up robes is nonsense
Regarding Kīrtanānanda, he is undoubtedly a good soul, but lately he has been attacked by māyā; he thinks too much of himself—even at the risk of disobeying his spiritual master & talking nonsense about Krishna. As a man haunted by a ghost talks so much nonsense, so also when a man is overpowered by the illusory energy—māyā, also talks all sorts of nonsense. The last attack of māyā upon the conditioned souls is impersonalism.
There are 4 stages of attack of māyā; viz.: 1. stage is that a man wants to be a protagonist of religion, 2. is that man neglects religiosity and tries to improve his economic development, 3. is to be protagonist of sense enjoyment & when a man is frustrated in all the above mentioned stages he comes to, 4. which is impersonalism, and thinks himself one with the Supreme.
This last attack is very serious and fatal. Kīrtanānanda has very recently developed the 4th stage malady on account of his negligence & disobedience to his spiritual master. Sometimes a foolish patient when he is out of feverish attack by the grace of the physician, thinks that he is cured and does not take precaution against relapse. Kīrtanānanda’s position is like that. Because he helped the society in starting the Montreal center I thought he is now able to start other branches & when he asked me to give him sannyāsa I agreed taking the opportunity of his presence in Vṛndāvana.
Simply by his Sannyas dress he thought himself as cured of all material diseases & all mistakes but under the influence of māyā, he thought himself a liberated patient, just as the foolish patient thinks himself cured from the disease. Under the spell of māyā, he deliberately disobeyed me by not going to London & consequently his disease has relapsed. Now in N.Y. he has began to dictate nonsense in my name — such as giving up robes, flags etc.
Instead of opening new centers he has began to deliver his nonsense sermons amongst his God-brothers which are all against our principles. For the present he should simply chant Hare Krishna & cease to deliver lectures because he has not understood the whole philosophy very nicely. (SP Letter to Pradyumna: Calcutta, 17 Oct 1967)
Sannyasi trying not to wear sannyasi dress is front of Srila Prabhupada
Prabhupada: Why your dress is not as a sannyas?
Tusta Krsna: The robes make people uncomfortable, Prabhupada. They see you as different and can’t relate. They won’t relax enough to listen when I wear robes.
Prabhupada: But sannyasis must dress in saffron with robes and shaved head.
Tusta Krsna: I am following all the principles, but the dress is external and superficial. Why should we let it hamper the preaching?
Prabhupada: If the dress is superficial, why should you change your dress to please people who are so serious about the superficial? [Pause.] You understand my point? Superficial people become controlled by superficial and external things. Why do you dress to please superficial people? You should dress to please Krsna.
Tusta Krsna: So you would like me wear saffron and shave up?
Prabhupada: Yes, I want you to promise this. Only wear saffron and keep your head shaved. This is sannyasi dress. You should promise.
Tusta Krsna: Yes, Prabhupada. I promise. (Bhurijana Prabhu’s “My Glorious Master”: Chapter 16: Melbourne 1974)
Srila Prabhupada kicks sannyasi who doesn’t wear sanyassi dress
If the Sannyasi who has come to our shelter becomes clean shaved and keeps a sikha with beads on his neck and chants Hare Krsna Mantra 16 rounds at least and changes his dress, then he can be allowed to stay with us. Until six months pass he cannot lecture in the meetings. On these conditions, he can render us service in the matter of Sanskrit composition, otherwise there is no need of him. Please take immediate steps in this connection and let me know what you have done in this matter. (Letter to Satsvarupa - Surat 28 December, 1970)
Being alergic to India
One vector of attack is that we can’t spread Krishna conscioussness because people think we are indian, although we are not Indian, we represent eternal vedic culture, mentioning India in various vedic contexts is not problem as explained by Bhakti Vidyapurna Swami:
Philosophical deviations of Krishna west
Present Krishna consciousness as it is, not as others want to see it
Our process is to show Krishna Consciousness as it is, not as others want to see it. By showing KC in this way, you are making the thing less important. It is not that we should change to accommodate the public, but that we should change the public to accommodate us. Better you devote your full time to one thing only, not many things. That way your enthusiasm and talents will have big effect by being concentrated. Therefore, kindly concentrate for producing books and magazines in European languages, as many as possible, and make this your life work. These books are the best advertising, they are better than advertising. If we simply present Krishna Consciousness in a serious and attractive way, without need to resort to fashionable slogans or tricks, that is sufficient. Our unique asset is our purity. No one any where can match it. That will be noticed eventually and appreciated, as long as we do not diminish or neglect the highest standard of purity in performing our routine work, not that we require to display or announce ourselves in very clever ways to get attention. No, our pure standard is enough. Let us stand on that basis. (Letter to Yogesvara – Bombay 28 December, 1971)
Visnu is not wearing pants
Hamsaduta: Someone has said that the dhoti, the dhoti that the brahmacaris wear, is the dress that’s worn in Vaikuntha. Is that correct?
Prabhupada: Just see Visnu. He has no coat-pant. Here is Visnu. Or Krsna, He has no dress. He is also bare body. Only Radharani is covered. In India also, still, the covering of the body is only for woman, but men, this, practically one dhoti is sufficient.
Ramesvara about vaisnava dress
September 20, 2015 · Great Neck, NY, United States ·
Dear Respected Prabhus,
Hare Krsna. Pamho. AGTSP!
I would humbly suggest that you consider that Srila Prabhupada described Kirtan and Vaisnava dress as transcendental and in absolute terms as the singing and garments worn in the spiritual world.
Please do not hold a sectarian or worldly view of what Srila Prabhupada described. He alone saw at every moment into the spiritual realm. Mundane scholarship cannot possibly stretch to the spiritual world and to the Transcendental Autocrat, and describing Vaisnava dress in secular terms is evidence of the confusion Maya plays on the minds of scholars.
When Srila Prabhupada told his BBT artists exactly how to paint, for example, the architecture and dress of the Vaikuntha planets, and of the different realms of Goloka, His Divine Grace was explaining the factual realized description of the spiritual world, with no taint and defect of the mind and it’s mundane Sanskrit scholarship or limited earth history so-called scholarship.
I believe that no devotee should try to minimize Srila Prabhupada’s descriptions of eternal Vaisnava dress and architecture of the spiritual world as some mundane or limited ethnic presentation. His Divine Grace introduced the eternal transcendental Vedic culture.
Many years ago, the foolish argument that Srila Prabhupada was only absolute when quoting from the Vedas and Gaudiya scriptures and not absolute when commenting on Krsna’s material energies was soundly defeated. As Prabhupada is in touch with Krsna and sees Him at every moment in his heart, and as Krsna speaks to us through Prabhupada, the argument that Krsna suddenly stops speaking to Prabhupada when he describes anything within this world is nonsense and, I think, borders on the offense of neglecting the instructions of the Pure Devotee who was sent to the western world by Krsna Himself to deliver all fallen souls.
I humbly beg to remain your aspiring servant, Ramesvara dasa
This article originally appeared on Lasting Impression website